Alfa Romeo Giulietta 116 1.3 engine rumour

There was a rumour that Giulietta (tipo 116) 1.3 engine was originally intended for GTA 1300 Junior.
Both those cars had oversquare engines with 67.5 mm stroke. GTA 1300 Junior engine was based on 1.6 Twin Cam modified with shorter stroke. Interstingly both 1.3 Twin Cam engines from Giulia Sprint era had 1,290 cc capacity (original from 74 mm bore and 75 mm stroke and GTA Junior from 78 mm bore and 67.5 mm stroke).
Giulietta 1.3, introduced in 1977, had 80 mm bore and 67.5 mm stroke to capacity of 1,357 cc. Centro Documentazione informed me that: “there aren’t any links between the two projects”. Still not only this Giulietta was the only model to have this unusual engine it still produced 95 PS and 120 Nm. It was produced over 2 series till 1983 with total of 50.890 examples made.

Gamma Coupé production tables update

New tables, first one deduced from both sides based on the series-specific production data from the other, with still 1 example missing. Looks like first examples of FL MY ’80 were in fact made by the end of ’79. Updated on wikipedia. Also a fun fact: both cars were designed by Pininfarina, but apparently only coupé by Mr Brovarone.

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From Lancia: A story of technological innovation in the car industry:
Gamma Coupé, Number produced: 7,089 units (from 1976 to 1984)

Tipos

Gamma Berlina 2.0 830AB2
Gamma Berlina 2.5 830AB
Gamma Berlina 2.5 i.e. 830AB4
Gamma Coupé 2.0 830AC2
Gamma Coupé 2.5 830AC
Gamma Coupé 2.5 i.e 830AC4

Engine Tipos
2.0: 830A2.000
2.5: 830A.000
2.5 i.e.: 830A4.000

GTV/Spider V6 TB power

is… 147kW (200CV)

9 documents provided by manufacturer regarding the CORRECT GTV/Spider V6 TB power, both Phase 1 and Phase 2. All state 147kW (200CV) not 148 not 149. It does not matter if You found a journalist or a register that provides other information. MANUFACTURER states 147kW. See brochures, owner’s manual, workshop manual, press kit.

1995-press-kit 1996 GTV brochure 1999 spider brochure SONY DSC 1998-GTV-workshop-manual 1998-Spider-workshop-manual 1995 GTV brochure 1996 GTV brochure 2 1998 spider brochure

Also on Wikipedia the entry, edited by me, states 147kW, so untill a hard evidence is provided this value will not be changed.

4C/8C unrelated

Reply from Alfa Romeo:

Szanowny Panie.
Odpowiadając na przesłany e-mail, zgodnie z informacjami otrzymanymi ze służb handlowych FCA Poland S.A. informujemy, ze modele ALFA ROMEO 8C i modele ALFA ROMEO 4C to 2 różne samochody.
Dziękujemy za kontakt i łączymy pozdrowienia.
Z wyrazami szacunku.

Translation:

Sir.
Responding to the sent email, according to information received from commercial services FCA Poland SA We inform the ALFA ROMEO 8C models and models of Alfa Romeo 4C are two different cars.
Thank you for contacting and connect greetings.
Yours faithfully.

Alfa Romeo GTV and Spider Production Numbers

Alfa Romeo GTV and Spider Production Numbers

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Following table is updated with my original research.
And so years: 1993, 1994, 2002, 2003 ad 2004 are different from those based on other sources and are most up-to-date.
Currently year 2001 is being researched as up to this point it was only done selectively in search of limited editions only.
Rest of the table is still based on current publications and therefore will be subjected to change when and if there are any differences in results.
With selective 2001 year and complete 2002-2004 years researched, I was able to compile limited editions numbers and phase 3 register so far.

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last update: 4-02-2014

Total count: 41,992 GTV and 38,764 Spider produced.
Phase 3 total count: 4,705 units.

8C relation to 4C

Someone was constantly trying to ‘update’ wikipedia with his opinion that an Alfa 4C is a successor to an Alfa 8C Competizione. After a long struggle to keep the vandal away, person in question tried even to find a ‘half-pint’ source to his ‘half-pint’ factual opinion.
Just because some journalist called a 4C half-pint successor to 8C Competizione does not make it so. Also an argument that some car is indirectly related to other just because they are both Alfa Romeo’s is a bit too weak.
My reply on wikipedia’s corresponding talk pages:

“Alfa 8C Competizione is not a predecessor to the 4C, directly nor indirectly. 8C is a V8 front engined, 2 seater, gran turismo, limited production. 4C is a carbon-tub, mid engined, 4 cyl, 2 seater sports car, mass produced. No reltion. And ‘indirectly’ every car is related to every other car. Please don’t change it again. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alfa_Romeo_8C_Competizione
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alfa_Romeo_4C

Hope You all agree with this, factual, opinion

Ferrari Coupé bodies production at Pininfarina

This little thing was based on the Pininfarina production records and my deduction.

Ex:
1977
Produzione di 14.012 Fiat 124 Spider, 19 Fiat 130 Coupé, 478 Fiat Lancia Beta Montecarlo Cabrio, 740 Fiat Lancia Beta Montecarlo Coupé, 4.183 Alfa Romeo Spider, 1.006 Lancia Gamma Coupé, 163 Ferrari Coupé, 306 Peugeot Cabrio e 1.194 Peugeot Coupé, per un totale di 22.101 vetture.

I had a hard time figuring out what coupés this is about, the only data was production figures and years, nothing more. At first i thought about 308/328 range and Mondials, but… added 1985 to 1989 production and… came out 576, exactly the number of Ferrari 412 GT and Automatica combined! Coincidence? no… I retro engineered the 400i and 400 with same results, although the begin/end years were shared for both models, then I came upon year 1975 and earlier. What to do? Obviously 365 GT4 2+2, the precursor to 400/412 range, but what else? There was still years 1970-1972. There was only one Ferrari left: 365 GTC/4, but… I’m still left with almost 200 bodies accounted for but nor distributed.

Testarossa and 512 TR too gave some problems as their combined production was more than their combined body production. I imagine that 512 TR production was moved to Ferrari as F512 M was, to Pininfarina acounts, not bodied by Them, same with the other half of 456 GT.

I a meantime this table will be cut and distributed on wikipedia accordingly.

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