4C/8C unrelated

Reply from Alfa Romeo:

Szanowny Panie.
Odpowiadając na przesłany e-mail, zgodnie z informacjami otrzymanymi ze służb handlowych FCA Poland S.A. informujemy, ze modele ALFA ROMEO 8C i modele ALFA ROMEO 4C to 2 różne samochody.
Dziękujemy za kontakt i łączymy pozdrowienia.
Z wyrazami szacunku.


Responding to the sent email, according to information received from commercial services FCA Poland SA We inform the ALFA ROMEO 8C models and models of Alfa Romeo 4C are two different cars.
Thank you for contacting and connect greetings.
Yours faithfully.

Alfa Romeo GTV and Spider Production Numbers

Alfa Romeo GTV and Spider Production Numbers


Following table is updated with my original research.
And so years: 1993, 1994, 2002, 2003 ad 2004 are different from those based on other sources and are most up-to-date.
Currently year 2001 is being researched as up to this point it was only done selectively in search of limited editions only.
Rest of the table is still based on current publications and therefore will be subjected to change when and if there are any differences in results.
With selective 2001 year and complete 2002-2004 years researched, I was able to compile limited editions numbers and phase 3 register so far.


last update: 4-02-2014

Total count: 41,992 GTV and 38,764 Spider produced.
Phase 3 total count: 4,705 units.

8C relation to 4C

Someone was constantly trying to ‘update’ wikipedia with his opinion that an Alfa 4C is a successor to an Alfa 8C Competizione. After a long struggle to keep the vandal away, person in question tried even to find a ‘half-pint’ source to his ‘half-pint’ factual opinion.
Just because some journalist called a 4C half-pint successor to 8C Competizione does not make it so. Also an argument that some car is indirectly related to other just because they are both Alfa Romeo’s is a bit too weak.
My reply on wikipedia’s corresponding talk pages:

“Alfa 8C Competizione is not a predecessor to the 4C, directly nor indirectly. 8C is a V8 front engined, 2 seater, gran turismo, limited production. 4C is a carbon-tub, mid engined, 4 cyl, 2 seater sports car, mass produced. No reltion. And ‘indirectly’ every car is related to every other car. Please don’t change it again. ”

Hope You all agree with this, factual, opinion

Alfa GT, Alfa Brera

Believe it or not but here is the 2-door or 3-door coupé explained. Source: both cars’ sales technical spec. brochures, bodywork-dimensions sections:

Alfa GT is a 2-door 5-seat coupé
(Alfa Romeo GT Technical Specification brochure 02/07. Quote: No of seats: 5, No of doors: 2)

1024px-Alfa_GT_rear 1024px-Alfa_GT_Facelift_rear gtdimensions

Alfa Brera is a 3-door, 2+2 coupé
(Alfa Romeo Brera Technical Specification brochure 04/08. Quote: No of seats: 2+2, No of doors: 3)

Alfa_Romeo_Brera_(6883900965) 1024px-Alfa_Romeo_Brera_Rear_20070321 brera-dimensions

Question is why does the GT classiffies as a 2-door than Brera? Because it’s less like a hatch and more like a half-box notch. Brera is more a 2-box coupé and it’s quite clear.

Ferrari Coupé bodies production at Pininfarina

This little thing was based on the Pininfarina production records and my deduction.

Produzione di 14.012 Fiat 124 Spider, 19 Fiat 130 Coupé, 478 Fiat Lancia Beta Montecarlo Cabrio, 740 Fiat Lancia Beta Montecarlo Coupé, 4.183 Alfa Romeo Spider, 1.006 Lancia Gamma Coupé, 163 Ferrari Coupé, 306 Peugeot Cabrio e 1.194 Peugeot Coupé, per un totale di 22.101 vetture.

I had a hard time figuring out what coupés this is about, the only data was production figures and years, nothing more. At first i thought about 308/328 range and Mondials, but… added 1985 to 1989 production and… came out 576, exactly the number of Ferrari 412 GT and Automatica combined! Coincidence? no… I retro engineered the 400i and 400 with same results, although the begin/end years were shared for both models, then I came upon year 1975 and earlier. What to do? Obviously 365 GT4 2+2, the precursor to 400/412 range, but what else? There was still years 1970-1972. There was only one Ferrari left: 365 GTC/4, but… I’m still left with almost 200 bodies accounted for but nor distributed.

Testarossa and 512 TR too gave some problems as their combined production was more than their combined body production. I imagine that 512 TR production was moved to Ferrari as F512 M was, to Pininfarina acounts, not bodied by Them, same with the other half of 456 GT.

I a meantime this table will be cut and distributed on wikipedia accordingly.


Alfa 147, 156, 159, 166, GT production dates

Based on the earliest found VIN number to the last possible VIN number and their respective production dates.
NOTE: this data does not show exact day of the begining of manufacturing, this research was to find an earliest year of production.

Alfa 147

Vehicle: 03000173
Prod. date: 22/4/2000

190.A57.4.0 – 1.9 JTD 8V 120CV/88KW NEW PROGRESSION 5P
Vehicle:   03651787
Prod. date: 28/5/2010

Alfa 156

116.847.0.0 – BN 2.4 JTD CF2 RICCO
Vehicle: 00000003
Prod. date: 10/12/1996
(confirmed by Centro Documentazione Alfa Romeo)

116.829.0.0 – BN 2.5 V6 24V CF2 RICCO
Vehicle: 00000023
Prod. date: 11/12/1996

ZAR93200001396866 – CROSSWAGON 4X4 1.9 JTD 16V E4150CV 110KW MEDIUM-MY.2004
Vehicle: 00673963
Prod. date: 27/2/2007

Alfa 166

136.452.0.0 – 2.0 V6 TB CF2
Vehicle: 5
Prod. date: 31/10/1996

ZAR93600000000011 – 2.5 V6 24V CF2 “PROGRESSION”
Vehicle: 13
Prod. date: 31/10/1996

ZAR93600000101188 – 2.4 JTD 20V 180CV 132KW E4 CM PROGRESSION
Vehicle: 99969
Prod. date: 30/6/2007

Alfa 159

140.464.0.0 – BN 1.9 JTD 16V 150CV 110KW E4 HIGH
Vehicle:   00000054
Prod. date: 5/8/2004
(confirmed by Centro Documentazione Alfa Romeo)

140CBZ351870 – BN 3.2 V6 CF4 S.PLUS AISIN 4X4 GD U.K.
Vehicle:   07248564
Prod. date: 30/11/2011

Alfa GT

ZAR93700005121011 – 1.9 JTD 16V E3 150CV 110KW C.M. 6M DISTINCTIVE
Vehicle: 00000597
Prod. date: 28/11/2003

125.333.1.0 – 1.9 JTD 16V E4 150CV 110KW C.M. 6M PROGRESSION MY.2006
Vehicle: 00080743
Prod. date: 16/6/2010

125.437.1.0 – 3.2 V6 24V 240CV 176KW C.M. 6M DISTINCTIVE MY.2006
Vehicle: 00080814
Prod. date: 1/7/2010

Due to unsequential and omittive nature of VIN there is still a chance that an earlier or later number may be found, especially on high volume cars like 147/GT and 156.
Respective information was updated to Wikipedia